tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7226481506470506962.post7719057800183387463..comments2023-10-25T08:44:46.963-07:00Comments on Two Friars and A Fool: Presbyterians & The Manhattan DeclarationAric Clarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15241157655075444268noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7226481506470506962.post-66060743255646074022009-11-30T10:02:54.306-08:002009-11-30T10:02:54.306-08:00http://www.shepherdsfellowship.org/pulpit/posts.as...http://www.shepherdsfellowship.org/pulpit/posts.aspx?ID=4444&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PulpitMagazine+%28Pulpit+Magazine%29&utm_content=Google+Reader<br /><br />i hope that link works. anyway it's john macarthur's comments on refusing to sign the declaration. you might disagree with his stance. but could it be that he has identified the reason why the declaration is so bereft of theology?guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7226481506470506962.post-25248984574445447652009-11-24T08:47:35.733-08:002009-11-24T08:47:35.733-08:00Aric,
I applaud your patience in demonstrating th...Aric,<br /><br />I applaud your patience in demonstrating the absurdity of this piece of paper.<br /><br />I dismiss it as just one more attempt of right wing ideologs to gain religious endorsement of their dependency on oppression. Theology in their hands is merely a tool.<br /><br />Recently they have gone back to reflexive double speak. They use the allusion to NAZI Germany because they ARE the allusion to NAZI Germany. They go there first to prevent their opponents from going there because it's their weak underbelly.<br /><br />We must ever remain vigilant against the real monster that lies under its surface. It may be junk, but people buy junk all the time.Jodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447125159108080797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7226481506470506962.post-14671422553995647122009-11-23T18:40:37.337-08:002009-11-23T18:40:37.337-08:00Warning duly noted. You will keep me open-minded w...Warning duly noted. You will keep me open-minded whether I like it or not. :D<br /><br />Still. It's junk. Even if its theology. It's junky theology.Aric Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15241157655075444268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7226481506470506962.post-5884284676632365532009-11-23T18:28:44.841-08:002009-11-23T18:28:44.841-08:00While I do agree this does move towards our basic ...While I do agree this does move towards our basic disagreement I actually think it should fall within the realm of what you call theology. I think there is also an important distinction between calling something theology and calling it theological. Theological for me is a broader def'n).<br /><br />But actually, I fear that your unwilling to think of these statement which uses the major sources of theology like reason (although not your logic), experience (although not your experience), tradition (although not your favorite part of our collective past), and scripture (although again not your reading of it) as theology will ultimately lead to narrowing your views.<br /><br />My fundamental assertion here is around the dangers of espousing a particular theological vantage point as superior by discounting the other as non-theology. This is a major weapon of the conservative branches of Christendom, I just don't want you to dig your own trench.Nick Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03265851893310000081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7226481506470506962.post-35207083316526037292009-11-23T17:56:35.259-08:002009-11-23T17:56:35.259-08:00Nick,
I think this goes back to our basic disagre...Nick,<br /><br />I think this goes back to our basic disagreement - you think everything is theology, and I think if everything is theology then nothing is meaningfully theological. :P<br /><br />I mean, sure their ideology has theological <i>implications</i> and someone <i>doing theology</i> could draw them out, but that isn't the same thing as saying that this document is a theological statement.Aric Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15241157655075444268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7226481506470506962.post-41947103700526791472009-11-23T17:27:02.476-08:002009-11-23T17:27:02.476-08:00While I agree with your overall assertion here Ari...While I agree with your overall assertion here Aric (in my quick scanning I didn't percieve much serious theology). But isn't ideology also theology? I thought theology was around the study of God? This certainly is the profession of a god, it just doesn't happen to be the one I particularly profess faith in. <br /><br />but hey what do I know, I'm only the fool...Nick Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03265851893310000081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7226481506470506962.post-60183040289827718042009-11-23T13:43:21.744-08:002009-11-23T13:43:21.744-08:00Good work, friars. I am not a Calvinist, but dang...Good work, friars. I am not a Calvinist, but dang, the logic behavior of these people convince me that there might be a T in TULIP.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7226481506470506962.post-79627961322569622312009-11-22T12:42:36.737-08:002009-11-22T12:42:36.737-08:00Don't criticize! This is one of those great t...Don't criticize! This is one of those great things that people can sign onto thinking they've actually accomplished something by doing so. I'm more than happy to have the radical right spending its time signing and publicizing meaningless "declarations" like this.<br /><br />But Carmen Fowler thinks Scripture and reason are co-equal? Didn't she just get done suggesting that people tie a millstone around Mark Achetemeier's neck for not even going nearly that far?<br /><br />What a hypocrite.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16274395216929104919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7226481506470506962.post-9603251730733342512009-11-21T15:07:02.172-08:002009-11-21T15:07:02.172-08:00I wonder if that is a new thing about theology, or...I wonder if that is a new thing about theology, or just something we have the insight to realize? That is, that theology is used to justify the things we were going to do anyway. I don't think that's all it is, but I can definitely see that motivation in the theology of any given age...Douglas Underhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02215736448645573566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7226481506470506962.post-85121763932419438432009-11-20T20:52:29.836-08:002009-11-20T20:52:29.836-08:00I am perplexed that this stunt is getting any cove...I am perplexed that this stunt is getting any coverage at all. These men(!) are all well known opponents of both same-sex marriage and abortion - along with 1/3 to 1/2 to whatever of the general population. I heard it on Fox News and knew right away that this was a non-event. <br /><br />You're right about the theology, though. Shame. But as iMonk said, theology nowadays is whatever we come up with to justify what we were going to do anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com